Before submitting this post I made two phone calls. To two of my children. To ask permission to post what is here. They both gave me the thumbs up.
Below is a word for word response that I made in comment on a blog post in OM’s Project O http://aopinionatedman.com/category/project-o/. I will not include the blog post itself.
‘My twenty year old daughter told me recently that she read of a poll conducted where one of the questions asked was, ‘When did you choose to be straight?’ The response given was, ‘I didn’t choose. I was born that way.’
However you perceive homosexuality in terms of the bible and the love of Jesus, there surely must be room to question whether anyone – anyone – born with whatever actual or perceived ‘disability’ has the same human rights as another?
I have seven children. I am a practising Roman Catholic. I have two gay children – one of each. Lucky me. For it allows me to practise what I preach – that all men and women are born equal. That God’s love is for all.
There may be some mystery attached as to why some people are born gay but until that mystery is revealed to me by the grace of God’s wisdom, I will love and defend the rights of all people.
Perhaps He chose to make it so to determine whether our love and sense of equality is all-inclusive or selective.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. They were most enlightening.x’
If you want to argue human rights, try me. Just try me. These are my children we are talking about just as all gay people are someone’s children. Just as all gay people are people. You might not like it, you might not understand it. But it’s here and they’re born that way.
I can only conclude that I am in awe at how selective people can be in matters pertaining to human rights. So long as you are the right colour, nationality, creed, gender, sexual orientation. I am gobsmacked. Utterly gobsmacked.
Great post. People are people are people. black/white/red/gay/straight/able/disabled. we all bleed the same colour; RED. that makes us all brothers and sisters and that’s a fact! you can’t change the facts!
I hate labels.
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I hate any sort of discrimination!
It is bullying and I will not tolerate it!
I am so riled. I will have to go and calm down before I explode.
Thanks for understanding. That means there is hope in human nature because right now I strongly have my doubts.x
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Lol I like the heading. At the end of the the day no matter who we are, we deserve love no matter our orientation
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I am in awe that we still live in times where people think these things. I know it. But I could weep with my own naivete at thinking and believing that people progress and develop. I am such a fucking fool. And so pissed.
I really need to go and calm down before making any more comments.
Thanks for yours.x
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Oh trust me they do, I feel like a rasicts in my own organization.
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Well, all hail the revolution of thought. Because otherwise we will slaughter ourselves with ignorance.x
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You’re absolutely right…and right to be riled. God didn’t make us to judge. He made us to love. And good for you for making the comment. Applause, applause. As I’ve said before, you can’t give grace and mercy with hands holding onto judgment and accusation. Well done!
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Thank you. I have taken a number of very deep breaths and dried my eyes. Judgement must be one of the worst sins we hold onto. I so strongly believe in the rights of all people I find it difficult to comprehend how others can jump so quickly to eliminate swathes of the population from human rights based on one facet of their being, whether it be colour, creed or whatever. I feel humans are hopeless when I encounter this.
But, I will absolutely not tolerate my children being perceived as outcasts by anyone. And I extend ‘my children’ to include all children.x
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Thanks for this post!
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You’re welcome. It is heartfelt.x
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I sent you a private message on Facebook with a question, I hope you don’t mind!
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I’ll go check it out. Although I’m not sure how to navigate the whole Facebook thingy. 🙂 x
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Beautifully put.
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Thank you. x
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I was arguing with my FIL the other day about this. I’ve worked with so many types of students, some with disabilities, some with other issues. Some were homosexual and one was transgender. I was trying to explain that we don’t decide these things. It’s not like one day you wake up and think: “hum, you know, I think I want to be attracted to guys/gals” or “hum, I look like a girl, but I feel like pretending I’m a guy just so I can get an operation”.
I think that this is misunderstood by many people, some due to genuine lack of understanding, some due to extreme stubbornness.
Either way, thank you for sharing this post!
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You’re welcome and thank you for your comments. People understand so little of a lot of things. Maybe that’s why our world is such a mess at times.x
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I’ve suffered from all types of discrimination and wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Being deaf, growing up on a council estate but attending grammar school, being blonde. I did a project at art college called ‘deaf blonde not dumb blonde’ as I was fed up of people treating me like I was stupid because I was deaf and blonde. People can be hurtful and small-minded but its made me tough and its made me far more compassionate towards others too.
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Compassion is a great gift. God bless you for it.x
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Thanks for a good post. Nobody has the right to decide or judge for anybody or anyone. We all are what we are and that is how we make the world, society… By coexistence. Let there be more tolerance and appreciation towards each other.
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Amen to that.x
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I too am a Mother, who as luck would have it and by the grace of God happens to have the most incredible Son, he is tall, good looking, incredibly intelligent, sarcastic, charming, honest, looks like Leonardo DiCaprio, has eyebrows that women would kill for, loves unconditionally, is passionate, fights for the underdog, believes in something more, is ethical, hardworking when he wants to be, has a ridiculous smile, surrounds himself with great friends and ohhh he just happens to be gay. It is a part of him, just like everything else. He didn’t choose to be, it wasn’t an inherited feature, it wasn’t instilled in him, and it doesn’t define him. I like you, get so riled when people let their ignorance and fear take over their thoughts, beliefs and mouths. It pisses me off to what seems like no end sometimes and I just wanted to say I though your post was RIGHT ON!!!
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You have so completely described my own son. He describes himself as ‘Alpha gay’; doesn’t look like it, doesn’t act like it, doesn’t dress like it. He just is. And he has the most beautiful nature and looks like Adonis! He has a harem of beautiful ‘fag hags’ and many other friends. He just doesn’t fancy girls. My daughter is a dream to look at with intelligence that astounds but doesn’t fancy guys. They are both very talented in many ways. Should I somehow be looking at these children I gave birth to, have raised and loved and now think, ‘Oh, but you’re gay, sod off?’ Should I look at children in my class and dismiss them because of one characteristic of theirs?
If I did this as a teacher or as a mother I would be unworthy to be called either. If I do this as a human being to any other I am unworthy of that title too. Where is the humanity? Or are we just beings?
Thank you for sharing your comments. And God bless your love and understanding of not only your son but others too. I am being renewed in hope as I read.x
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My sister who was ‘born straight’ had many male lovers, had children to two of them. Then she took the decision to live with a female lover for many years then when that relationship ended she met the man she is now very happily married too.
Now she is my sister and what she did she did because she wanted what everyone of us wanted, the love and comfort of another human whether same sex or not and as her brother I support which anyway she wishes to live.
Until my eyes were open when I was a ignorant young man who thought homosexuals were child molesting monsters who hung around public toilets looking for young boys. Why did I think that, because of the same ignorance which was instilled into the males who were around me and who I looked up to, males who worked in all male industry were weakness was frowned on and beat up on, it was also the 70’s were the words ‘nigger’, ‘fag ‘ and the rest were spoken on national TV and part of TV series such as ‘bless this house ‘
Where do I stand today as a properly educated adult, I stand back to back, side by side with Scottishmomus and agree with everything that she says.
The Almighty made each and everyone of us in His image and He loves every single one of us and ask for us to do the same.
Now I am not a medical man I don’t know the in and out of genes, if your gay or straight I don’t care all I care is that people love each other and treat each other with respect that you would expect from anyone.
So if you dislike the thought of homosexuality in your community, then go and find a small island off the coast of Alaska called Bigotory and have a wonderful time.
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Thank you so much for your comment. We all have learning curves to climb in so many different ways and on so many issues. Perhaps as we learn more of each other and see and love the differences there will be more understanding and acceptance.x
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I think the reason people have so much difficulty handling differences is because it means they have to reevaluate their world and really “think” about what they believe in and why. This means uprooting one’s fundamental belief system and rebuilding it, and that makes people feel uncomfortable and is a lot of work. It is much easier to accept the stereotypes and biases that we learn from others and society than it is to use our own head and formulate our own opinions. I believe fundamentally that most people do not and will not change unless given a strong enough reason to.
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This worries me more than anything. If we cannot use the God-given capacity to think and re-evaluate how do we ever succeed in communicating effectively and understanding each other? I still believe, perhaps naively, that minds and hearts can be changed by what is experienced or read and experienced vicariously. Perhaps being open is the answer, being prepared to admit that there are other ways, not being so stuck up one’s own arse to not smell anything but the stench there. Cubby, I have to believe it is possible. Or, I would sink into an abyss of depression at the failure of humanity to be anything other than animals. I have to believe that there is the capacity within all of us to be affected by others and open to understanding. I couldn’t function without it. It is, to me, what education, faith and enlightenment are about. Otherwise, there really is nothing.x
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Hearts and minds do change all the time. I have great faith in people and their capacity to change, but I also believe that people need a reason to change and/or truly desire change for it to come to fruition. I don’t see humanity as a failure but as a work in progress.
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There is hope then. 🙂 x
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Love, tolerance, acceptance, kindness, attentiveness, welcome, understanding should apply to every living creature, and especially every human being.
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Exactly.x
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Very well said. I was pretty gobsmacked reading the post you’re responding to and was so pleased to read your comment immediately below. Thanks for showing that compassion and religion can co-exist – it’s a sad and strange world when some people castigate their brothers and sisters in the name of God’s love.
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It is so sad, that I have wept several times tonight. I hardly dare to believe that intolerance exists in the name of religion. I know, implicitly, that it does. But to have it evidenced is beyond the scope of my naive abilities to accept it as a possibility.x
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Sexuality is so complicated. I became friends with a small group of people through an online forum and became pretty close to a few of them. One of the things I learned is that not everyone who is gay was born that way. A couple of the friends I have were so severely affected by the abuse they suffered that they couldn’t have an intimate relationship with the other gender.
Two more of my friends are the same gender. Both of them have had children or been married and until they met each other, would have considered themselves straight. But once they met, there was such a connection that they fell in Love. I can’t explain it, but I am so happy for them.
Thank you for sharing this and your children for giving you permission to publish it.
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It is indeed complicated when issues such as you describe arise. The many psychological implications of abuse would need a whole book. I take issue with the idea that sexuality should determine a person’s right to the same rights as others. It is no less discriminatory than many other forms that have been challenged over the years. Diminishing and determining a person’s worth based on race, gender, colour, creed, sexuality is abhorrent to me. Regimes have risen and fallen on judgement and blame of sections of society. It is unacceptable to expose people to ridicule or hatred. It takes many forms and is always ugly.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences and I will pass on your wishes to my children.x
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I agree and you are welcome. =)
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Thanks. Need to go to bed now. Shattered and I have work in the morning. This blogging’s knocking hell out of me. 🙂 x
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Awesome response and reply. I have family members that are gay. I really don’t understand gays, but I don’t have to understand it as my gay members of the family never try to impose an understanding. We practice live and let live in my family.
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Understanding everything would, possibly, be lovely although I’m not entirely sure! But, it is not necessarily, I feel, a prerequisite for acceptance and admission that all people are entitled to the same rights. ‘Live and let live’ sounds like an admirable route to acceptance.x
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It’s one thing to mess with us but don’t mess with our children, not ever!!!! You made an excellent point here in your comment – with you all the way, from one mamma bear to another, grrrrrrr… 🙂 x
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That’s so what I felt like! And all children! How dare people. I’m much more calm today, thank God. Thought I was going to have a seizure yesterday. 🙂 x
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Great post. Respect for what we are, what we choose!
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Thank you. Respect is key.X
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True.
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My sister, my friend…..I love my 3 kids with all of my heart, and I would defend them with the fierceness of a lioness…..and I love my wonderful, incredibly compassionate, loving and giving nieces and nephews as if they were my own. Oh yeah, and anyone who messes with them……be very very afraid! xxx
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Side by side, missus. Side by side.x
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